To be honest, Chu Yulin and Wang Fan were still mentally prepared before interviewing this person.

If you can get to this position at the age of 28, you will definitely be able to be good at eloquence.

Of course, for Chu Yulin and Wang Fan, people with good eloquence can see the vast number of people with good eloquence and speaking with great eloquence are like countless people who cross the river. However, there are not many people with good eloquence and speaking with great eloquence and can be combined with actual work and speak sharply and profoundly.

If you want to add a very innovative viewpoint, then there are only a few.

I have to say that this one has several items.

The most important thing is novelty.

Only by having new ideas can you stand out and be unable to escape from the old ruts and pick up others' wisdom. No matter how good you do in other aspects, you can easily become like everyone else because others can do it.

The so-called reform is an innovation.

From top to bottom, especially the central government, why should we attach so much importance to reform and innovation? We should explore new paths that have not been found by our predecessors and bring new paths to things.

This dynamic and efficient explanation gave Chu Yulin and Wang Fan a deeper understanding of Sha Zhengyang's thinking.

This is not aimed at a certain enterprise, but rather at some common problems in the current state-owned enterprise reform.

What are the goals of state-owned enterprise reform? Reduce staff and increase efficiency, improve competitiveness, reduce staff and improve efficiency, but does competitiveness also improve? Not necessarily.

A creative and dynamic enterprise team is the foundation of the competitiveness of the enterprise, not simply reducing employees. It is often those companies that are still recruiting employees that are truly full of vitality and are in the expansion stage. What the management team needs to do is to create vitality, rather than just focusing on reducing employees. This is the foundation, reducing employees is just the end.

Of course, Sha Zhengyang also reversed the topic later. It is not that reducing staff is not important. The bloated institutions and personnel not only bring about increases in costs, but more importantly, the decline in vitality. This is the key.

If this part of the redundant staff can be placed in another environment, so that they can be full of vitality and efficiency, and everyone can make full use of their talents, this is the highest level.

However, this is just an ideal state and can only be used as a goal to pursue.

Chu Yulin and Wang Fan both found it interesting to talk to this guy. This guy kept washing their minds with new ideas, new words and new thinking. Moreover, if you follow his ideas, you will always be brought in unconsciously. As for whether it is a ditch that cannot be climbed out, or a poem that is high and high, it depends on your opinion.

Sha Zhengyang patiently waited for the two to digest their views. He did not think that these two could be calm in the face of the baptism of advanced views. If they could really be indifferent, then he would have a more powerful dimensional reduction blow to prepare for them.

Three minutes later, the Animal Kings exchanged glances, indicating that they had almost digested the other party's views on this round.

In fact, they can still understand the vitality and efficiency of the first sentence, but the second sentence is fair and people's livelihood, which makes them a little unable to understand.

This doesn't sound like a point that needs to be put forward by corporate reform, so they really want to hear what this guy has to say about it.

"Fairness and people's livelihood, my understanding is not just about enterprise reform itself, but about our country's attitude towards the development of the entire economic system. Well, how to say it, my understanding is that the reason why state-owned enterprises are different from other enterprises of nature, such as foreign-funded enterprises, private enterprises, and township enterprises, so where is this reflected? If it is reflected in the country's policy and resource preferences, then state-owned enterprises will naturally have to assume more responsibilities and obligations than foreign enterprises, private enterprises and township enterprises. This should be a mechanism that matches responsibilities and rights."

Sha Zhengyang's words made Chu Yulin and Wang Fan's eyes lit up, and the recording pen was waving like flying, but he did not stop: "Mr. Sha, what do you mean is that state-owned enterprises should have greater responsibilities and actions than other enterprises. Well, is it what you said about fairness and people's livelihood?"

"It's almost the same, probably that's what it means." Sha Zhengyang put down his legs and switched his left foot to his right foot, making his body more comfortable.

We have to admit that the two reporters in front of us are the people with the most keenest sense of thinking among the media people. They can quickly follow their own ideas and intentions to capture their ideas. Such conversations make both parties very comfortable.

"Mr. Sha, can you interpret it in more detail?" Chu Yulin took the initiative to propose.

"Of course." Sha Zhengyang nodded, "Fair, my understanding is that when the country formulates economic policies, well, especially when it comes to policies related to enterprise development, it should uphold the principle of fairness. I think it is relatively fair to foreign companies and domestic companies. In the current situation, it has more special advantages to foreign companies, and domestic companies, especially private companies, may be more stringent in all aspects. This may be related to the central government's previous definition and positioning of the private economy. I think this problem may be solved after the 15th National Congress."

sharp!

Chu Yulin and Wang Fan looked at each other, and both saw the other's shock and admiration from each other's eyes.

It is not easy to discover and capture the subtle changes in this, and it is also possible to assert that this problem will be solved after the 15th National Congress of the Communist Party of China, which shows that the young man in front of him is no less politically than those provincial-level leading cadres.

"Mr. Sha, what you mean is that the current country's policies are more beneficial to foreign investment, but may be unfair to domestic enterprises?" Wang Fan's question is more sharp.

"Well, Teacher Wang, your question is not very friendly. This is to make me unrighteous."

Sha Zhengyang laughed. Although he felt a little scared in his words, his tone was calm, which also left a deep impression on the two reporters.

"My understanding is that the central government has a specific background in the era when it introduced a preferential policy for foreign investment, including the early days of reform and opening up and 90 years after you two. As for the age of you, it is impossible to be unclear about the special circumstances facing our country's economic and opening up policies in that era. So I think this policy was appropriate at that time, and it still has a certain degree of rationality at present, but in the future, well, I think it may gradually lose its rationality and face the necessity of modification or even abolishment."

Chu Yulin and Wang Fan both nodded to express their understanding.

"What I mean is that our country does need to formulate some preferential policies for attracting foreign investment because of its national conditions, so as to accelerate our country's economic development and development. However, we should also note that domestic enterprises should boldly relax and encourage their development. This is our foundation,..."

"When dealing with private enterprises, my personal opinion should be bold and not be afraid. Even foreign-funded enterprises can encourage each other to develop. What reason do we have to limit the development of private enterprises? This makes no sense."

Sha Zhengyang's view is very bold, but he is not alone. Foreign-invested economy and private economy cannot be treated equally. This itself has caused controversy among many people. How to break this knot will continue.

"Well, Mr. Sha, let us continue the original topic, your understanding, when formulating policies, the country must uphold the principle of fairness and not favor one or the other?" Chu Yulin asked.

"The central government has its considerations. In a specific environment, there may be some preferences and better policies, but the laws and regulations should be more rigorous and fair in general, because in the market economy system, especially when the era of globalization is approaching and when our country joins the process of accelerating, when others purchase your goods and services, they will not lower the standards just because you are a Sino-foreign joint venture, state-owned enterprise or private enterprise. If you cannot achieve fairness in policies, it will inevitably have an impact on a certain type of economy."

The analysis was very insightful, giving Chu and Wang the feeling that they were more like an economist talking freely, with sharp and careful words leaving no blind spots.

"How can state-owned enterprises reflect the meaning of the word fairness?" Wang Fan followed up immediately.

Sha Zhengyang also noticed that the two of Chu and Wang cooperated well.

One is good at opening and closing from the front, while the other likes to launch surprise attacks from the side, which is very consistent with the principle of using a positive combination to win with a strange victory.

"So for state-owned enterprises, fairness should be discussed in combination with people's livelihood." Sha Zhengyang was very generous and gave guidance to the country.

"Our country's state-owned enterprises are carrying huge historical burdens. In fact, we all know that our state-owned enterprises were not a simple enterprise for decades before the reform and opening up, but shouldered the dual attributes of society and enterprises. Even a new level was added, that is, the national attributes."

Sha Zhengyang calmly opened the topic, "Not to mention the corporate attributes, it means using products to talk about victory or defeat in the market, but the huge structural problems left by the planned economy era cannot be solved and reversed in just one sentence."

"How to position the ownership status of state-owned enterprise employees? Can you dispel them in one sentence? This will trigger some systematic reflection and doubts, which need to be solved through the institutional level. This is the social attribute. How to solve it? The country should have policies to always guarantee their worries."

"There is also the national attributes." Sha Zhengyang continued to elaborate, "Special state-owned enterprises must bear national attributes for important areas that concern national economy and people's livelihood, and even rank market attributes behind them. This is contrary to the essential attributes of the enterprise itself. So how to resolve this contradiction also requires some policy and system to solve it. Of course, this problem is relatively complex and requires specific analysis of specific problems. In each specific area, it requires specific analysis. In addition, if it bears national attributes, it needs to be compensated in some resources and policies. This may not be fair in terms of other economic components. How to define it is also a difficult problem."
Chapter completed!